摘要：唐纳德·特朗普总统9月23日（周二）表示，乌克兰能够恢复其在俄乌冲突前的边界，且认为如果俄罗斯飞机进入北约成员国领空，这些国家应当将其击落。在俄乌战争持续之际，他对俄罗斯的言论升级。
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乌克兰总统泽连斯基拜会特朗普
一、特朗普就俄乌冲突和俄机进入北约领空的最新发声
美国有线电视新闻网（CNN）2025年9月23日报道，分析人士称特朗普关于北约应击落俄罗斯战机的声明是“最重要”声明。
唐纳德·特朗普总统9月23日（周二）表示，乌克兰能够恢复其在俄乌冲突前的边界，且认为如果俄罗斯飞机进入北约成员国领空，这些国家应当将其击落。在俄乌战争持续之际，他对俄罗斯的言论升级。
综合来看，特朗普在联合国大会期间关于击落俄罗斯飞机的言论，以及他随后在“真相社交”平台上关于乌克兰边界的帖子，似乎反映出他对莫斯科的态度，以及对这场难以解决的冲突可能如何结束的看法发生了重大转变。
他关于乌克兰边界的言论，是其就职以来首次暗示乌克兰可能夺回俄罗斯自2014年以来占领的所有领土。此前他曾表示，乌克兰需要放弃部分领土才能达成和平协议。而他关于北约击落俄罗斯飞机的声明表明，他愿意让这一防御联盟与俄罗斯发生更直接的冲突，而非仅仅向乌克兰提供武器。
在联合国大会期间与乌克兰总统弗拉基米尔·泽连斯基会晤时，被问及北约是否应击落俄罗斯飞机时，特朗普表示：“是的，我认为应该。”
随后，特朗普在“真相社交”上写道，在对乌克兰和俄罗斯的经济及军事局势有了更全面的了解后，他开始认为“在欧盟的支持下，乌克兰有能力战斗并夺回完整的、原本的乌克兰。”他称这场冲突让俄罗斯看起来像一只“纸老虎”，并断言冲突耗费了俄罗斯大量资金，且导致其汽油供应困难。
特朗普在一篇长文中写道：“只要有时间、有耐心，再加上欧洲，尤其是北约的财政支持，恢复战争开始时的原有边界是完全有可能的。为什么不呢？”他还补充道：“乌克兰将能够夺回其完整的国家，谁知道呢，甚至可能取得更大进展！普京和俄罗斯正陷入严重的经济困境，现在是乌克兰采取行动的时候了。”
泽连斯基称赞特朗普的帖子是“一个重大转变”，并称这位美国领导人是“改变局势的人”。泽连斯基在当天下午晚些时候的新闻发布会上表示：“特朗普的这条帖子，是一个重大转变。”
泽连斯基告诉记者，他向特朗普“通报了当前情况”，这位美国总统“同意”他对战场局势的看法。
泽连斯基说：“我认为总统了解一些细节。而且我认为他比以前了解更多细节。对此我感到高兴，我感谢他，或许也感谢为他提供简报的工作人员。”
当被问及特朗普认为乌克兰能够获胜是否是“改变局势的因素”时，泽连斯基回答：“特朗普本人就是改变局势的人。”
但在特朗普发帖数小时后，美国国务卿马可·卢比奥表达了与特朗普不同的立场，称这场战争“无法以军事方式结束”。
卢比奥在联合国安理会关于这场冲突的会议上表示：“它将在谈判桌上结束。这场战争终将在那里落幕。”
卢比奥在联合国表示：“美国一如既往地致力于以和平方式解决这场危险的冲突。”他称，美国可能会得出不存在和平解决方案的结论。他表示，已敦促安理会（包括俄罗斯在内）“尽其所能”“结束这场战争”。
美国国务卿对俄乌冲突结局的表态更加谨慎
二、尚无迹象显示美国会对乌克兰提供更多支持
特朗普在“真相社交”的帖子中暗示，乌克兰可在欧洲的支持下赢得战争，但未提及美国将进一步介入。
近期，北约宣称的俄罗斯无人机或飞机多次进入波兰、爱沙尼亚等国领空事件，进一步增加了北约与俄罗斯直接对抗的风险，考验着该联盟在遏制俄罗斯方面的准备情况和可信度。
欧洲领导人对此表示愤怒，并誓言将以武力回应。但北约领导人9月23日表示，只有在分析意图后，才应考虑击落俄罗斯飞机。
北约秘书长马克·吕特表示，是否击落俄飞机应“取决于关于该飞机所构成威胁的现有情报，包括我们必须弄清楚的问题，如意图、武器装备以及对盟国、军队、平民或基础设施的潜在风险。”
吕特表示：“我们将始终对局势进行评估，对飞机构成的直接威胁进行评估。”他是在爱沙尼亚上周因俄罗斯战机侵犯其领空而要求召开北约成员国形如紧急会议后发表上述言论的。
数小时后发表讲话的特朗普则显得不那么谨慎，他未对北约成员国应何时或是否应击落入侵的俄罗斯飞机作出任何限定。他也未明确表示美国将参与这一行动。他说：“这取决于具体情况，但你知道，我们对北约的态度非常坚定。”
北约秘书长吕特就俄机进入北约领空发声
三、美国国务卿卢比奥和北约秘书长吕特的态度更为谨慎
在总统发表上述言论数小时前，卢比奥曾表示，美国不会击落进入北约领空的俄罗斯战机，但称该联盟将继续对其进行拦截。卢比奥表示，他认为北约盟国不会击落俄罗斯飞机，“除非它们正在发动攻击”。
卢比奥在9月23日接受哥伦比亚广播公司新闻网采访时表示：“我认为你们所看到的是，北约正以我们一贯的方式应对这些入侵行为，即当飞机进入你的领空或防御区时，你会升空对其进行拦截。”
近几周来，在俄罗斯无人机和飞机侵犯北约成员国领空后，这些国家纷纷紧急应对。9月19日，三架俄罗斯米格-31战斗机未经允许，在芬兰湾上空进入爱沙尼亚领空。而在此前一周，数架俄罗斯无人机和战斗机进入波兰领空，促使波兰紧急出动F-15和F-35战斗机拦截。
9月22日，斯堪的纳维亚地区最繁忙的两个机场挪威奥斯陆机场和丹麦哥本哈根机场因发现无人机被迫关闭数小时，打乱了数万人的出行计划。
在9月22日被问及此事时，丹麦首相梅特·弗雷泽里克森表示，她“无法以任何方式排除此事可能是俄罗斯所为”。在同样被问到此事时，特朗普拒绝将责任归咎于俄罗斯。他表示：“在查明具体情况之前，我无可奉告。我知道这件事，但他们也不清楚发生了什么。不过我们很快就会查明真相。”
22日，在联合国安理会一场气氛激烈的紧急会议上，欧洲盟国警告称，若俄罗斯战机或无人机再次侵犯北约领空，他们将予以击落。
这些事件引发了人们对欧洲在抵御俄罗斯侵略方面准备程度的质疑。特朗普曾警告欧洲大陆必须采取更多措施加强自身安全，并将为乌克兰提供军事援助资金的责任推给了其他北约成员国。
吕特9月23日表示，北约已做好自我防御准备。他说：“我们已部署所有防御系统，以确保能够保卫盟国的每一寸领土。这一点我们在波兰和爱沙尼亚的事件中都已得到证明。”
Trump says Ukraine can win back territory from Russia, shifting his tone on the war. By Kevin Liptak, Adam Cancryn, Jennifer Hansler on CNN. September 23, 2025.
Why analyst says Trump’s statement on NATO shooting down Russian jets ‘most important’ statement of the day
President Donald Trump said Tuesday that Ukraine could restore its borders from before Russia’s invasion and that he believes NATO member countries should shoot down Russian aircraft if they enter their airspace, escalating his rhetoric against the Kremlin as its war in Ukraine drags on.
Taken together, Trump’s remarks on the sidelines of the United Nations General Assembly about shooting down Russian aircraft and his later post on Truth Social about Ukraine’s borders seemed to reflect a significant shift in his attitude toward Moscow and what the end of the intractable conflict might look like.
His comments on Ukraine’s borders represent the first time since taking office that he’s suggested the nation could win back all of the territory that Russia has taken since 2014. He had previously suggested Ukraine would need to give up some of its territory in order to secure a peace deal. And his statement on NATO shooting down aircraft suggests a willingness to put the defense alliance in more direct conflict with Russia than merely giving weapons to Ukraine.
“Yes, I do,” Trump said when posed a question about NATO shoot-downs during a meeting with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky on the sidelines of the UN General Assembly.
Later, on Truth Social, Trump wrote that after developing a more fulsome understanding of Ukraine and Russia’s economic and military situations, he had come to believe “Ukraine, with the support of the European Union, is in a position to fight and WIN all of Ukraine back in its original form.” He said the conflict was making Russia look like a “paper tiger,” and asserted it was costing Moscow significant funds and making it hard to get gasoline.
“With time, patience, and the financial support of Europe and, in particular, NATO, the original Borders from where this War started, is very much an option. Why not?” Trump wrote in a lengthy post, adding, “Ukraine would be able to take back their Country in its original form and, who knows, maybe even go further than that! Putin and Russia are in BIG Economic trouble, and this is the time for Ukraine to act.”
CNN has asked the White House on what borders Trump is specifically referring to.
Zelensky hailed Trump’s post as “a big shift,” calling the US leader “a gamechanger.”
“This post of Trump, it’s a big shift,” Zelensky said at a press conference later in the afternoon.
Zelensky told reporters that he briefed Trump “on what’s going on,” and the US president “agreed with” him about the situation on the battlefield.
“I think that president is – he knows some details. And I think he knows more details … than before. And I am happy with this, and I’m thankful for him, or maybe also for him, for his people who briefed him,” Zelensky said.
Asked if it’s a “gamechanger” that Trump believes Ukraine can win, Zelensky replied, “Trump is a game changer by himself.”
But US Secretary of State Marco Rubio took a different stance to Trump just a few hours after his post, saying the war “cannot end militarily.”
“It will end at a negotiating table,” Rubio said at a UN Security Council meeting on the conflict. “That’s where this war will end.”
“The United States remains as committed as it’s ever been to a peaceful resolution to this dangerous conflict,” he told the UN body. He said the US may conclude that there is no peaceful resolution. He said he urged the council, including Russia, to “do everything their power” to “bring this war to an end.”
No indication the US will provide more support
In his Truth Social post, Trump suggested Ukraine could win the war with European support, with no mention of the US getting further involved. CNN has asked the Trump administration whether it is going to provide Ukraine any more support.
Recent incursions of Russian aircraft over Poland, Estonia and other nations have led to the first direct encounters between NATO and Moscow since the start of the Ukraine war, testing the alliance’s preparedness and credibility in deterring Russia’s aggression.
European leaders have voiced outrage and vowed to respond with force. But NATO’s leader said Tuesday that shooting down Russian aircraft should only proceed after an analysis of intent.
NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte said shoot-downs should depend “on available intelligence regarding the threat posed by the aircraft, including questions we have to answer like intent, armaments and potential risk to allies, forces, civilians or infrastructure.”
“We will always assess the situation, assess the immediate threat the plane poses,” Rutte said. He was speaking after a meeting of NATO members requested by Estonia after Russian jets violated its airspace last week.
Trump, speaking a few hours later, appeared less cautious, offering no qualifiers about when or if NATO members should shoot down violating Russian aircraft. He also stopped short of saying the United States would join in the effort.
“Depends on the circumstance,” he said. “But you know, we’re very strong toward NATO.”
Rubio more cautious
The president’s comments came hours after Rubio, indicated the US would not shoot down Russian jets that enter NATO airspace but said the alliance would continue to intercept them.
Rubio said he didn’t think NATO allies would shoot down Russian aircraft “unless they’re attacking.”
“I think what you have seen is NATO responding to those intrusions the way we respond to them all the time, and that is when enter your airspace or your defense zone, you go up and you intercept them,” Rubio said in an interview with CBS News on Tuesday.
NATO members have scrambled in recent weeks after Russian drones and aircraft violated their airspace. Three Russian MiG-31 fighter jets entered Estonian airspace over the Gulf of Finland without permission Friday. That came the week after several Russian drones and fighter jets entered Polish airspace, prompting a scramble of F-15 and F-35 fighter jets.
On Monday, two of Scandinavia’s busiest airports — Oslo, Norway, and Copenhagen, Denmark — were forced to close for several hours due to drone sightings, disrupting the travel plans of tens of thousands of people.
When asked about the incident Tuesday, Denmark’s prime minister, Mette Frederiksen, said she “cannot reject in any way that it could be Russia” behind it.
Trump declined to pin blame on Russia when asked about the incident Tuesday.
“I have no response until I find out exactly what happened. I know about it but … they don’t know what happened. But we’re going to find out very soon,” he said.
European allies warned Monday during a fiery emergency meeting of the UN Security Council that they would shoot down Russian jets or drones involved in any further violations of NATO airspace.
The incursions have raised questions about how prepared Europe is to defend itself against Russian aggression. Trump has warned the continent it must do more to bolster its own security and has put the onus on other NATO members to provide funding for Ukraine’s military assistance.
Rutte on Tuesday said NATO was prepared to defend itself.
“We have all the defensive systems in place to make sure that we can defend every inch of allied territory,” he said. “That’s what we have shown both in the Polish case as well as in the Estonian case.”
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